HVofficiel
02 Nov 2023, 01:32 ( Updated at: 02 Nov 2023, 06:49 )

RE: Ctrader Copy ROI wrong calculation

PanagiotisChar said: 

Hi there,

The calculations are explained here. 

https://help.ctrader.com/ctrader-copy/roi-calculation/

Hi, am well aware of the ROI page, i still need support to look into both strategies, as Monthly ROI and all time ROI is wrong! appreciating the help. 

HVofficiel
02 Nov 2023, 01:11 ( Updated at: 02 Nov 2023, 01:33 )

same problem

Same issue here, includes ROI calculations to not only trades. 

HVofficiel
09 Oct 2023, 13:46 ( Updated at: 10 Oct 2023, 04:37 )

RE: Ctrader Copy ROI wrong calculation

PanagiotisChar said: 

Hi,

ROI is calculated based on equity and not based on closed trades. Without knowing the exact details of how your ROI is calculated, it is obvious from the equity curve that there are positions open which cause drawdown and they affect the ROI as well.

Hi, Thank you for your response, we have doubled checked our equity curve and positions, we have no open positions or loss trades. 

based on our research https://help.ctrader.com/ctrader-copy/roi-calculation/ and myfxbook https://www.myfxbook.com/members/hvofficiel1/hv-safe/10465625 

we are positive that the calculations are wrong from ctrader copy. may we ask for support to take a deeper look into our account and try to fix the issue? 

Regards,

HVofficiel
09 Oct 2023, 13:22 ( Updated at: 09 Oct 2023, 13:33 )

RE: Ctrader Copy ROI wrong calculation

PanagiotisChar said: 

Hi there,

It seems that you have made a deposit to avoid a drawdown but the calculation of ROI does not take into consideration deposits and withdrawals. So if somebody has invested $100 at the beginning of your strategy, he would now have $74. The fact that none of your trades closed in loss is irrelevant.

Hi, thank you for your response, Still the calculations are wrong. even without or with deposits, both All time ROI and monthly ROI are wrong.

how the fact they closed in profit its not relevant ? then how do calculations work, isn't because of closed positions in loss or profit?

please refer to the correct calculations: https://www.myfxbook.com/members/hvofficiel1/hv-safe/10465625 

HVofficiel
13 Mar 2023, 04:47 ( Updated at: 21 Dec 2023, 09:23 )

RE:

Capt.Z-Fort.Builder said:

cTrader Copy official platform has applied a new criterion to hide strategies which have had no open positions since last Saturday(26 Feb 2023).

The search result also doesn't return the strategy name if there is no position!     

I don't think it's a fair criterion, for those SPs who only trade intraday or have open positions in a short time (e.g. close average in or less than an hour)  Even if they have trade almost every day.

I suggest restoring previous criteria to list all strategies without discrimination and letting users or investors can manually set on/off for the criterion

Hi there, 

I think you all got it wrong, the reason for the delay to answer is they having an issue with strategy visibility section. Am sure they fixing it. 

why am saying this? We meet all conditions in our strategies and we still not visible. in fact they replied to us in ctrader copy section asking to provide some data to assess the problem. Am sure those requirements are meant to be as first timers and strategies that didnt trade for long. 

Its not logical and functional to show and hide strategies within 24h, imagine show this strategy one day then next hide then show again, technically speaking it is more difficult to operate this way for spotware and brokers. in terms of software load, financially etc.. it just dont work. 

Am sure they will be a clear statement to explain what those requirements are for new traders and current providers. just stay positive. 

Regards,

HVofficiel
12 Mar 2023, 23:25

RE:

Spotware said:

Dear trader,

Please let us know the following

1. Your strategy name
2. The exact date and time you receive this message
3. The position that is currently opened at the time you receive the message
4. The deal that was closed in less that 24h since the time you received this message

Best regards,

cTrader Team

Dear Team, 

Today 13th March 2023, same issue. 

Please let me know if we could do something. 

Regards,

HVofficiel
10 Mar 2023, 14:24

RE:

Spotware said:

Dear trader,

Please let us know the following

1. Your strategy name
2. The exact date and time you receive this message
3. The position that is currently opened at the time you receive the message
4. The deal that was closed in less that 24h since the time you received this message

Best regards,

cTrader Team

Hi, 

Thank you for your response, please find requested details. 

1. They are 3 strategies, ( HV, HV 1, HV 2)
2. (9th of March 2022, The time i checked 2AM GMT+3. 
3. CHFJPY, AUDJPY and USDCAD was open. 
4. The above positions. 

Please note that the strategies are visible now. but am afraid this issue might happen again. 

Thank you for your outstanding platform and support. Have a great weekend ahead.

HVofficiel
11 Jan 2023, 11:46 ( Updated at: 21 Dec 2023, 09:23 )

RE: RE: RE: RE:

mark2 said:

HV_OFFICIEL said:

mark2 said:

PanagiotisChar said:

Hi there,

Here is a list of reasons that can cause such discrepancies

• The entry and exit prices of your positions differ to those of the Strategy Provider.
• The size of your positions differ to those of the Strategy Provider.
• The commissions you pay to your broker differ to those of the Strategy Provider.
• Your broker does not offer the same symbols which are being traded in the strategy.
• You did not have enough margin to follow some of the orders placed in the strategy.
• You may have a different Stop-Out Level causing your account to be stopped out, while the Strategy Provider continues to trade.

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so how to over come all , all these , mql 5 copy trade dont have these problem 

 

Mql5 definitely have these problems, any platform would have, in fact ctrader has one the best execution of trades and copying rules. No other platform has. My advice is to fix your equity stoploss & find better strategies to copy, not all strategies are meant to be copied. 

to name few Ctrader advantage in the copying sector: 

• Ultra fast Execution compared to other platforms 
• Equity to equity ratio 
• Available on mobile
• Free VPS 
• No monthly charges
• High water mark
• Equity stoploss
• Full transparency 

Regards,

here some picture , to follow up . with other master copy these thing not happen 

As i explained earlier. The problem is from the strategy provide. 

HVofficiel
11 Jan 2023, 11:36

RE: RE:

mark2 said:

PanagiotisChar said:

Hi there,

Here is a list of reasons that can cause such discrepancies

• The entry and exit prices of your positions differ to those of the Strategy Provider.
• The size of your positions differ to those of the Strategy Provider.
• The commissions you pay to your broker differ to those of the Strategy Provider.
• Your broker does not offer the same symbols which are being traded in the strategy.
• You did not have enough margin to follow some of the orders placed in the strategy.
• You may have a different Stop-Out Level causing your account to be stopped out, while the Strategy Provider continues to trade.

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so how to over come all , all these , mql 5 copy trade dont have these problem 

 

Mql5 definitely have these problems, any platform would have, in fact ctrader has one the best execution of trades and copying rules. No other platform has. My advice is to fix your equity stoploss & find better strategies to copy, not all strategies are meant to be copied. 

to name few Ctrader advantage in the copying sector: 

• Ultra fast Execution compared to other platforms 
• Equity to equity ratio 
• Available on mobile
• Free VPS 
• No monthly charges
• High water mark
• Equity stoploss
• Full transparency 

Regards,

HVofficiel
11 Jan 2023, 10:50 ( Updated at: 21 Dec 2023, 09:23 )

RE:

mark2 said:

Hello , I try the copy trade with demo acct befor I go live . I found that copy trade acct dont have the same dd with the master copy , and the DD is not the same too ,

I copy wall street cash , his dd is 15 % mine is 80 % , on jan -11-23 his acct open trade , mine acct dont .

How do these happen 

His trading style not suitable for copying. He is ultra fast with opening and closing with minimum trade average of 1 pip. also with different broker spreads and slippage makes a difference.

HVofficiel
11 Jan 2023, 10:42

RE:

Waxy said:

Hello Spotware,

This is an issue with this website actually, if I want to use the forums, I have to log in multiple times in a day, it doesn't remember I've logged in.
I'd like that if I check this forum tomorrow, my login session would still be open.

I'm not sure if someone else is experiencing the same problem, I'd appreciate your support.

Regards,

Same here.

HVofficiel
10 Jan 2023, 11:31

Hi, Same here.. we addressed this already with ctrader waiting for their feedback.

Rank should be rank. and not random rank!

HVofficiel
09 Jan 2023, 04:54 ( Updated at: 09 Jan 2023, 04:56 )

RE:

swingfish said:

one additional note, and the main reason I was (and still am) against the decision of Spotware to remove the old Copy feature

being replaced with the now new "copy" which isn't Copy but a Financial management tool that actively allocates funds to traders/strategies,
this is not only a bad business decision by Spotware, as the old system worked perfectly fine.

As this is not a copy service like it was before (eg. a service provided by spotware for a fee) but active investment/fund management which requires proper regulation.

Keep in mind, regulation is not a wildcard for all financial activities!
Brokers may be regulated but that doesn't make them Hedge Funds or Investment Firms by default allowing them to engage in such activities.

if you look up regulations, most brokers do not have the flag for Fund management checked, as this is not what brokers do (different scope of activities)
(example: if your company build bridges, that doesn't make it an Architect or city planner) :)

this is why Metaquotes MAMM/PAMM Systems are highly questionable and only run by brokers that are regulated in some odd places, as the major regulators have a serious problem with those activities. the new cTrader Copy system is essentially the same, which puts this on a short leash, it's just a matter of time when the major regulators put an end to this and force brokers to stop offering it, or force the providers of strategies to be regulated investment firms.

Spotware is just a Service provider for a Software solution, there is nothing illegal going on here, the only thing that matters is the path the money goes, not the tools that are used.

keep in mind, regulators are "reactive" not "proactive" meaning once there is a major complaint against a bad player using cTrader Copy, regulators will have a look at the system and determine its faith after the damage was done.

Hi there, i would actually disagree, there are questions with answers and i will try to make it very simple.

-Do you provide Financial advice? No! Then you are not required to obtain any licenses.

-Do you manage investors funds? No! Then you are not required to obtain any licenses.

-Do you teach any financial services? No! Then you are not required to obtain any licenses.

-Do you sell or promote any financial materials such as signals or education? No! Then you are not required to obtain any licenses.

Then they ask you, what do you provide? I sell and buy financial instruments with a regulated broker as my personal investments however my profile is open to the public for performance tracking, oh Great! what is the benefit of opening your profile to the public? Well, if they wish to copy my personal ideas, they can do so without any upfront fees. Its completely Legal! 

Cheers!

HVofficiel
09 Jan 2023, 00:00

Unfair

Hello Team, 

We as traders appreciate your continuing support and creativity, however this last update has gone wrong. 

We believe it is unfair for hard working strategies to be flipping around pages of 8,9,10,11 and above, every refresh new strategies showing up in top 3 pages even with lower main parameters such as Date started, capital followed & ROI ( The point of RANK is to place top strategies in order for a follower to make a decision) You have other filters to do the random switching.

The competition feeling has gone away between top providers.

The fee parameters seems fine, but Increase the Influence of the Current ROI over the Historical ROI came as a surprise for all strategy providers that are doing great every month. 

Please have another review of current update as pages from 3-15 have great strategies compared to the once showing in the first 3 pages.

1. All time ROI | Overall Performance 

2. Monthly ROI | Current performance 

3. Date started | How old is it live for, is it working or not.

4. Own funds | What is the risk applied on own.

5. Capital followed | Credibility.

Those are important parameters and great tool for a follower to make a decision and not otherwise in our humble opinion. 

What is the point of a strategy doing great one week and others below others, or they doing crazy ROI but other data not great. 

Please let us know your opinion the rank page before was great! there was a proud moment to to be in top 3 pages. Its RANK not random RANK.

Regards,

HVofficiel
04 Jan 2023, 22:02

RE: Hi Same issue for me.

Spotware said:

Dear trader,

Please let us know the broker and the account number so that we can investigate this further.

Best regards,

cTrader Team

I am having same issue Ic markets : 6000613

Regards,

HVofficiel
30 Dec 2022, 14:01

RE:

PanagiotisChar said:

Hi there,

As far as I know it's by design. The rank has some randomization built in.

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Thank you for your response, i believe its unfair for hard working strategies. Rank page previously was much better.